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]]> By: anonymous http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-202583 anonymous Wed, 12 May 2010 22:55:27 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-202583 Somebody mentioned word 'stubborn' to learn obj-C. I have a question for you. If apple wants to change how normal people walk and asks you to start walking backwards, will you start walking backwards? Apple should use C/C++ for XCode since it uses GCC toolchain, not Objective-C, Next-C, AppleisSoRetarded-c etc. Somebody mentioned word ‘stubborn’ to learn obj-C. I have a question for you. If apple wants to change how normal people walk and asks you to start walking backwards, will you start walking backwards? Apple should use C/C++ for XCode since it uses GCC toolchain, not Objective-C, Next-C, AppleisSoRetarded-c etc.

]]> By: uphill battle - StartTags.com http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-199834 uphill battle - StartTags.com Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:11:23 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-199834 [...] and standard DVDs comes the latest Blu-ray sales figures from NPD Group. And they're not pretty.Monotouch Has an Uphill battle ahead | LazycoderMonotouch Has an Uphill battle ahead. I love me some Mono and love the Mono team, but Novell really [...] [...] and standard DVDs comes the latest Blu-ray sales figures from NPD Group. And they're not pretty.Monotouch Has an Uphill battle ahead | LazycoderMonotouch Has an Uphill battle ahead. I love me some Mono and love the Mono team, but Novell really [...]

]]> By: Paul http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-196461 Paul Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:22:47 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-196461 Don't you remember your kindergarten lessons on sharing? Consider this, you can write your core logic and objects in mono/dotnet which will run on iPhone, Windows desk, Mac desk, Win Mobile and Linux-based mobile and desktop devices. Then you only need to write the thin presentation layers for each device to use the native controls, but all of the rest of the code is shared. That's why it's such a huge benefit for me. Don’t you remember your kindergarten lessons on sharing? Consider this, you can write your core logic and objects in mono/dotnet which will run on iPhone, Windows desk, Mac desk, Win Mobile and Linux-based mobile and desktop devices. Then you only need to write the thin presentation layers for each device to use the native controls, but all of the rest of the code is shared. That’s why it’s such a huge benefit for me.

]]> By: Erik Porter http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-196423 Erik Porter Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:59:32 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-196423 Objective-C is a big hurdle, but it's not as bad as it seems. To me, MonoTouch is a convenience. One I'm not willing to pay for upfront. In the future, if I find myself building lots of apps I am going to want that convenience and would gladly pay for it from profits being made from other apps. I'd rather learn the guts first anyway so if there's weirdness when using MonoTouch I'll know why. Objective-C is a big hurdle, but it’s not as bad as it seems. To me, MonoTouch is a convenience. One I’m not willing to pay for upfront. In the future, if I find myself building lots of apps I am going to want that convenience and would gladly pay for it from profits being made from other apps.

I’d rather learn the guts first anyway so if there’s weirdness when using MonoTouch I’ll know why.

]]> By: Miguel de Icaza http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-196422 Miguel de Icaza Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:43:01 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-196422 In my opinion there are many other benefits to a C#/.NET runtime on the iPhone than just the C# language vs the Objective-C language. For one, you have to remember that a lot of the things that people take for granted on managed languages do not really have an equivalent in the Objective-C world or require significant more work. At the API level, you have Xml Serialization, SOAP web services, WCF, automatic memory management, the thread pool, Linq to XML, Linq to Objects, a variety of DI frameworks, the dnAnalytics math framework, unit testing frameworks, libraries for every protocol in the face of the earth (pop, imap, jabber, iiop, xml-rpc, dns, bittorrent) and whole host of other libraries that work today in .NET and a whole host of libraries from CodePlex. You can even use GitSharp to use GIT as your storage facility on the iPhone. Additionally: MonoTouch does not use XCode, but until Apple ports the iPhone simulator to Windows, you will need a Mac to work effectively with it. In my opinion there are many other benefits to a C#/.NET runtime on the iPhone than just the C# language vs the Objective-C language.

For one, you have to remember that a lot of the things that people take for granted on managed languages do not really have an equivalent in the Objective-C world or require significant more work.

At the API level, you have Xml Serialization, SOAP web services, WCF, automatic memory management, the thread pool, Linq to XML, Linq to Objects, a variety of DI frameworks, the dnAnalytics math framework, unit testing frameworks, libraries for every protocol in the face of the earth (pop, imap, jabber, iiop, xml-rpc, dns, bittorrent) and whole host of other libraries that work today in .NET and a whole host of libraries from CodePlex.

You can even use GitSharp to use GIT as your storage facility on the iPhone.

Additionally: MonoTouch does not use XCode, but until Apple ports the iPhone simulator to Windows, you will need a Mac to work effectively with it.

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]]> By: Jason Young http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-196419 Jason Young Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:00:18 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-196419 If generics, LINQ, garbage collection, and WCF were a $400 add-on for .NET, I would pay it. Would you? If generics, LINQ, garbage collection, and WCF were a $400 add-on for .NET, I would pay it.

Would you?

]]> By: Brent http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/comment-page-1/#comment-196418 Brent Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:48:33 +0000 http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2009/10/05/monotouch-is-d-o-a/#comment-196418 I'm not really sure Random Joe Developer X was the target developer for MonoTouch to begin with so I'm not really sure considering the price point is all that interesting. I think the majority of the developers will have this $399 paid by whoever they are developing for. Truth be told, MonoTouch makes the most sense for two groups of people: those who have existing C# code they *need* to leverage, and those who are too stubborn or unwilling to learn Cocoa/ObjC. People in the first group probably can easily justify the $399. People in the second camp are the ones who are complaining in my opinion. Their complaints are heard, but I'm not sure how much they matter. That being said, I'm a developer who does .NET coding in my day job and writes iPhone applications in my spare time. I love both .NET and Cocoa/ObjC. MonoTouch is refreshing in that it makes some things easier, although there are certain things that are not quite as nice in MonoTouch as in Xcode/IB. I do feel like I will still use both, but at least the choice is there. Just my 2 cents, Brent I’m not really sure Random Joe Developer X was the target developer for MonoTouch to begin with so I’m not really sure considering the price point is all that interesting. I think the majority of the developers will have this $399 paid by whoever they are developing for.

Truth be told, MonoTouch makes the most sense for two groups of people: those who have existing C# code they *need* to leverage, and those who are too stubborn or unwilling to learn Cocoa/ObjC. People in the first group probably can easily justify the $399. People in the second camp are the ones who are complaining in my opinion. Their complaints are heard, but I’m not sure how much they matter.

That being said, I’m a developer who does .NET coding in my day job and writes iPhone applications in my spare time. I love both .NET and Cocoa/ObjC. MonoTouch is refreshing in that it makes some things easier, although there are certain things that are not quite as nice in MonoTouch as in Xcode/IB. I do feel like I will still use both, but at least the choice is there.

Just my 2 cents,
Brent

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